They must do it on purpose....

[Big D]

...because there's no other explanation for such ignorance.

Check out this lovely artice by the Daily Herald...notice anything that's missing?

And although I won't be doing it any more, they wonder why I continually write to complain to them

www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intID=38384101

[WarriorFlame]

No mention of Valporaiso? How insulting.

The DH is such a rag and Lindsey Wilhite is the equivalent of a low-major college basketball reporter. But shhhh, don't tell that to his fan club over at DePaul.

[spike1057]

What a joke, this is so typical of chicago media. Oh well I wont be crying over it.

[WarriorFlame]

Don't honor the DH by including it in Chicago media. They do a great job of covering school news in Barrington and other places far, far away.

[UICJohn]

Pathetic. I don't care if the Daily Herald isn't a Chicago paper, but when you say state teams and don't include all of the teams in the state, that's a slap in the face.

[FreeRadical]

If you look in their "colleges" section it at least lists UIC and has several stories about the Flames.

They also straight up tell you they are a suburban newspaper.

You can't say the same thing about the "Chicago" Tribune, which is in reality about as "Chicago" as a minivan full of soccer players.

[Big D]

FreeRadical said:

If you look in their "colleges" section it at least lists UIC and has several stories about the Flames.

They also straight up tell you they are a suburban newspaper.

You can't say the same thing about the "Chicago" Tribune, which is in reality about as "Chicago" as a minivan full of soccer players.

The only reason that the DH has UIC and Loyola listed in their college section is because I emailed and complained....then they put it in.

And even though they are a suburban paper, they have no problem giving press to Depaul and schools in other states.....and what does suburban mean? It seems like they're covering as much of the state as they can....no less than what the Trib and Sun-Times do....

And yes, I think the Trib and Sun-Times may be worse, as hard as that is to imagine....

[FreeRadical]

What I am referring to is a type of "harmless" racism that minorities often complain about (and we white people are fond of denying exists).

Its the bigotry that says that if you're not part of the target demographic, you don't exist.

Look at the "Chicago" Tribune's list of "local" colleges. Most of them are not even in Chicago. One, in particular, is not even close. But they ARE all overwhelmingly white, because the Tribune is a white newspaper that targets and sells its product to white people. Anyone else is welcome to buy it, but they are not the target demographic.

The only schools they will EVER cover routinely are the ones that their target demographic are likely to have either attended or are likely to be considering having their children attend.

And UIC, at 45% white, just doesn't cut it.

[flyin30]

FreeRadical, I'm not sure I buy the race card in this instance. Even at 45% white, there are still a lot more white students/alumni from UIC then smaller private schools like Depaul or Notre Dame.

IMO, we will get more respect and coverage when we make some noise. Winning a tournament game or 2 would help a lot. Depaul & Notre Dame have a loyal alumni base and history to fall back on...we need don't have these yet...

[FreeRadical]

flyin30, I'd like to agree with you, but the fact remains that there is NO REASONABLE explanation of why NIU, UIUC, or Notre Dame are listed as a "local" teams in a "Chicago" newspaper's web site while UIC and Chicago State are not.

The editorial board has confronted this issue and has minority members who make sure that blatant racism-by-omission does not occur there. The same effort has clearly NOT been made in the sports section.

I am not by any means implying that this is KKK-style racism.

What I am saying is that 45% of 25,000 is 11,000 students which puts UIC in the same category as Loyola or Valpo (ie, small market). It is racist only because it implies the non-existence of the remaining 55% of the sutdent body.

Race-based selective marketing is (unfortunately) one of the remaining vestiges of apartheid / segregation in this country. Only in housing and employee recruitment is it deemed illegal.

Before you dismiss this is just some paranoid pipe dream, ask yourself this question: have you EVER seen a blue-collar asian or black person wearing a Notre Dame sweatshirt? Any thoughts on why?

[uicstudent]

Maybe UIC's not a state school. That would explain the rising tuition and the cuts to the budget.

[tHOM]

Allright, I feel as if I need to chime in now.

First, back to the original topic; it's absolutely ridiculous that the DH is ignoring UIC and Loyola in that article. There is no excuse for something like that. Even if they are a 'suburban' newspaper, they still cover events that occur in the city limits. It's a joke that they disrespect us like that...it just goes to show how little respect UIC gets.

Now onto the Tribune. I can't fully explain why they don't have Loyola or UIC on their list of local colleges, but I have a couple ideas. But I don't for one second buy into the idea that it's racist, or even has underlying racist thinking to it.

I believe that Chicago State doesn't get mentioned because they are not on the same atheltic level as the aforementioned schools. The Trib doesn't have time or resources to cover every athletic event going on in the city...for example they aren't going to talk about Robert Morris stuff unless they do something real exciting. Chicago State just isn't deserving of athletic news coverage. What conference are they in anyways?

From what I have seen this year, every time UIC has played a game, they have received notable coverage in the Tribune. There have been some times where their game stories/recaps were bigger and more accessible than a DePaul game. There have also been some times where Depaul games got more attention that UIC games. I think, though, that over the season it has been fairly balanced and equal coverage in their sports section.

That they don't have a link on the website is simply a matter of UIC not receiveing any respect in the local sports field. I think the Tribune and other media outlets have the idea that people only care about DePaul athletics in the city, however untrue it may be. UIC is the largest university in the Chicagoland area and henceforth, has the largest Alumni base in the area. I think it also has a lot to do with that our program, while not really new, has really only started to succeed in the last 15 years.

You can very easily discredit the notion of racism by noticing that Loyola isn't mentioned in the Tribune sports section. They aren't now, or traditionallyhave been, a minority university. Loyola has tradition on their side, but because they have been down for a while, the Tribune assumes people aren't interested.

I think that the fact that UIC and Loyola don't have football programs may also play into it. Like it or not, having a football program makes you more big time. DePaul and Northwestern both play in large conferences. UIC and Loyola are in the Horizon league...not exactly cream of the crop compared to Conference USA (soon to be Big East for DePaul) or Big 10.

I have seen many blue collar minorities wear Notre Dame apparel. I have seen Notre Dame apparel all over the country...everybody knows Notre Dame.

I think one major media outlet that completely ignores UIC is 670 the score. Sure, ESPN 1000 is the flagship station of UIC basketball, but they still mention the DePaul or Loyola games that are going on. On the flip side, I have never heard UIC mentioned on the 670 airwaves. I purposely listen to the station on game days to see if they get a mention but I have yet to hear anything. I also have not heard a game mentioned on the following day. All they talk about is DePaul or Notre Dame. It's entirely possible that I just haven't heard UIC mentioned because I am not always listening, so lemme know if they do talk about us.

Sorry for the long post. I do get upset that UIC doesn't receive more media attention but I don't think race plays into it at all.

[Big D]

Good post tHOM. Basically, I think all of the schools listed in the trib college section are football schools. And of course, they can't forget Depaul because when you think Chicago basketball....you think Depaul

[FreeRadical]

I agree. Good Post.

I also agree that the listed schools with the exception of DePaul are football schools.

But I still think that if UIC were 95% caucasian we would not be having this conversation.

[NewFoundGlory]

FreeRadical said:

I agree. Good Post.

I also agree that the listed schools with the exception of DePaul are football schools.

But I still think that if UIC were 95% caucasian we would not be having this conversation.

Lol, what the hell are you on. I can't believe this tool is playing the race card. This kid read a book on institutional racism and now he runs around and points out everything as racist.