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Post by UICJason on Feb 11, 2005 16:21:45 GMT -6
Here's your thread...where you'll probably make other ridiculous assumptions about my politics.
I abhore the Patiot Act. I abhore the Republican party. If anything, I am a bleeding heart liberal, who believes in higher taxes, more corporate regulation, less censorship, etc.
On the less censorship issue, I know you're going to take issue with my stand on Sparky. What I'm saying with Sparky is that he is a University employee. Universities have a certain governmental responsibility set. Television stations, radio stations, and other commercial holdings do not.
I feel that minority groups of all sorts being made fun of is a part of our American culture and it isn't right. I know it isn't the biggest, most important issue, but it is an important one to me.
I figure this is a start.
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Feb 11, 2005 16:41:54 GMT -6
I abhore the Patiot Act. I abhore the Republican party. If anything, I am a bleeding heart liberal, who believes in higher taxes, more corporate regulation, less censorship, etc. On the less censorship issue, I know you're going to take issue with my stand on Sparky. What I'm saying with Sparky is that he is a University employee. Universities have a certain governmental responsibility set. Television stations, radio stations, and other commercial holdings do not. I feel that minority groups of all sorts being made fun of is a part of our American culture and it isn't right. I know it isn't the biggest, most important issue, but it is an important one to me. I figure this is a start. Ok, well I'll try to reach all of this. As for you being a liberal: I'm not sure this means that you're a democrat or not, but im guessing that you're not because you worded it in such a way as to tip toe around it. I do find it interesting that you just hate the "republican party" as an entity and not hate the issues they generally stand for... for example: gun control? how do you feel about that? i just named that one because we dont' need to get into everything else.... also, i think people tend to place the title "liberal" too easy... the meaning has changed over time... you say you believe in less censorship: although, you throw your "admin" weight around here like you were nixon himself.... constant "threats" on deletions and editting.... that is censorship and it was censorship over if someone could say the f word or s word.... and you can say that when we signed up for this we clicked a box that stated all that crap.. but this board is open to guests making it public.... and yes i do want this to be civil... what do you think...
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Post by UICJason on Feb 11, 2005 16:46:47 GMT -6
Oh, I just don't use democrat, because I don't think it fully describes my general "liberalness." There are lots of medium ground democrats who are anti-gay marriage, don't like taxes, etc. I just want to convey that I am far left. I vote democratic in all elections for every office.
I am pro-gun control, but only because of the destruction they cause. If we had a society that loved to hunt and nothing more, I wouldn't really care about gun control.
I "throw admin weight" around here because I don't want this board to dissapear, and I mean that in two ways...
1) Proboards does cancel boards that are too sweary, too offensive, too unnecessary,etc. 2) The casual visitor is turned off by incessant arguing, swearing, etc. and I've witnessed good boards turn into ghost towns because a few people, like you and I, like to argue all the time. It took me a long time to realize this because I like to argue, but it is true.
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Feb 11, 2005 16:59:32 GMT -6
Oh, I just don't use democrat, because I don't think it fully describes my general "liberalness." There are lots of medium ground democrats who are anti-gay marriage, don't like taxes, etc. I just want to convey that I am far left. I vote democratic in all elections for every office. I am pro-gun control, but only because of the destruction they cause. If we had a society that loved to hunt and nothing more, I wouldn't really care about gun control. I "throw admin weight" around here because I don't want this board to dissapear, and I mean that in two ways... 1) Proboards does cancel boards that are too sweary, too offensive, too unnecessary,etc. 2) The casual visitor is turned off by incessant arguing, swearing, etc. and I've witnessed good boards turn into ghost towns because a few people, like you and I, like to argue all the time. It took me a long time to realize this because I like to argue, but it is true. Ok, i see. So you're a "bleeding heart liberal" who is for gun control? you do know what the "right to bear arms" was for right? And you're against censorship, yet you censor others yourself? That's the whole point of creating this free speech/censorship clause; that just because you dont like it doesn't mean that it can't be said... and also so that one person wouldnt have the power to censor the person of lower status, while the person of lower status could do nothing. it's to keep things even and fair.... Also, you claim but you vote "democratic for ever election" and that you are a big on minority rights? So, I would like to know what the Democratic party has done for blacks/mexicans/etc etc in the last twenty years (outside of the puppet representative they use quite often)... and then after this, look at the democratic party today, it's a joke compared to the original democratic party... Prounion, etc etc, the democratic party hasn't done anything for these groups in recent times...
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Post by UICJason on Feb 11, 2005 17:56:54 GMT -6
Read what I say man...I censor on this site, because we have to to keep it alive. If I had a webserver and could code a message board, then I would. And we could say whatever we wanted all the time. But having a UIC board is more important to me than not.
As for gun control, the second amendment says a whole lot about a militia and is antiquated at this time. Guns are a serious issue in this country and need to be controlled better. Unlike hate speech, or religous freedom, guns kill people. It's a tough one...but I just can't get over the way guns have gotten out of control in this country and that something has to be done about it.
As for the minorities, I understand what you're saying. The democractic party is a shell of itself. If it would make a difference, I would vote third-party (although I can't pretend to know what third party really reflects my views..its somewhere near Green, but not quite there.) but we have been playing the lesser of two evils game for two elections right now and while it didn't work, it was important for me to do whatever I could to not have Dubya Bush as president.
There isn't a party these days who really has minority rights on their radar right now. We're all excited by terrorists and gay people, and the good ole' problems get overlooked.
Why don't you share some of your thoughts instead of just questioning mine?
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Feb 12, 2005 15:00:24 GMT -6
Read what I say man...I censor on this site, because we have to to keep it alive. If I had a webserver and could code a message board, then I would. And we could say whatever we wanted all the time. But having a UIC board is more important to me than not. As for gun control, the second amendment says a whole lot about a militia and is antiquated at this time. Guns are a serious issue in this country and need to be controlled better. Unlike hate speech, or religous freedom, guns kill people. It's a tough one...but I just can't get over the way guns have gotten out of control in this country and that something has to be done about it. As for the minorities, I understand what you're saying. The democractic party is a shell of itself. If it would make a difference, I would vote third-party (although I can't pretend to know what third party really reflects my views..its somewhere near Green, but not quite there.) but we have been playing the lesser of two evils game for two elections right now and while it didn't work, it was important for me to do whatever I could to not have Dubya Bush as president. There isn't a party these days who really has minority rights on their radar right now. We're all excited by terrorists and gay people, and the good ole' problems get overlooked. Why don't you share some of your thoughts instead of just questioning mine? I did read what you said, you said that you are against censorship, yet you censor. Read it again. As for gun control. It's meant for personal protection and to be able to overthrow a tyranical government, if that ever comes. That's not antiquated to me, but kept with the times throughout hundreds of years. As for a third party yes you are right, there isn't a significant one, but John Kerry = George Bush, etc etc. They're the same people, owned by the same large corporations. Hardcore liberal? for gun control? for minorities? against censorship although you do it yourself? Yet you vote democrat election after election? this sounds like a politician... As for other issues, go ahead and ask away.
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Post by UICJason on Feb 12, 2005 22:28:01 GMT -6
Blah...not worth my time. You just want to attack. That's all you like to do.
I laid out what I think...you have a problem with it. If you can't understand what I'm saying about Proboards.com and what we have to do to keep this board alive, then there's no sense in having a conversation. I made it really clear. It's the simplest of points. This board has to be regulated or it will dissapear...and I don't want that.
Until you can understand that, I'm not going to waste my time.
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Post by mayurT on Feb 13, 2005 4:27:17 GMT -6
the democratic party hasn't done anything for these groups in recent times... not to mention that the democrats have failed miserably to do anything in terms of swiftly responding to terrorist threats AND attacks on various US properties, citizens, and military officials over the past 12+ years ever since Saddam invaded Kuwait.
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Post by FreeRadical on Feb 13, 2005 14:19:52 GMT -6
"not to mention that the democrats have failed miserably to do anything in terms of swiftly responding to terrorist threats AND attacks on various US properties, citizens, and military officials over the past 12+ years ever since Saddam invaded Kuwait."
Not to mention John Kerry's wife faking purple hearts in FRANCE while HE was out flip-flopping on his wind-surfer.
Did I get that right?
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Post by UICJason on Feb 13, 2005 14:47:24 GMT -6
No, you actually appear to have no clue what you're talking about.
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Post by FreeRadical on Feb 13, 2005 16:48:11 GMT -6
"No, you actually appear to have no clue what you're talking about"
But...but...but....I could have SWORN I saw that on television - or talk radio - or SOMETHING.
OK, I admit, I am clueless. But I'll say one thing about the election- the better looking wife definitely won.
And I trully believe that if Kerry could scarf vodka and dance on tables like Boris Yeltsin he just MIGHT have won Ohio.
And NO, I'm not serious. Except about Ohio.
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Post by UICJason on Feb 13, 2005 18:42:03 GMT -6
Yes, Laura Bush is a much foxier old lady than that super creepy robot Heinz. They shouldn't have let her speak...she creeped me out big time.
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Feb 13, 2005 18:53:37 GMT -6
So, is that it UICjason, you're done already? You set up this thread, i was just asking you about the issues. Everything was fine and then you go and say"read what I said man" prior to me saying "read it again". I got no problem with what or how you stand for things, all I was getting to was that none of them added up, which I stated numerous times. And of course you backed out again with the "not worth my time" part...... but that's fine.... i also said you can ask me anything, again you didnt.... let me know...
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Post by UICJason on Feb 13, 2005 18:57:17 GMT -6
I guess I need to know what you mean by add up. Beliefs are beliefs, and whether or not they fit a particular political party's idealogy matters little to me.
I think I was trying to show that moderating things on this silly board has NOTHING to do with my political beliefs. Not everything can be about beliefs...I just like UIC basketball, and this is a good service for talking about it. I don't want them to cancel us.
If you can get past that, I'd love to keep going...I'd also invite others to join up and talk some politics. As long as we keep it civil, which we should...it should be interesting.
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Feb 13, 2005 19:07:33 GMT -6
I guess I need to know what you mean by add up. Beliefs are beliefs, and whether or not they fit a particular political party's idealogy matters little to me. I think I was trying to show that moderating things on this silly board has NOTHING to do with my political beliefs. Not everything can be about beliefs...I just like UIC basketball, and this is a good service for talking about it. I don't want them to cancel us. If you can get past that, I'd love to keep going...I'd also invite others to join up and talk some politics. As long as we keep it civil, which we should...it should be interesting. UICjason, this isnt necessarily about censorship on this board, just about censorship in general... music, video games, books? what you have been saying is that you're against censorship in these areas and others? about not adding up: has nothing to do with following the party ideologies... i was just saying that you're big for minorities and their rights yet you vote democrat and you said you were a hardcore liberal yet you're for gun control? now this isn't an attack, so please dont take it that way, i just think those are just weird combinations that dont really match up.... in my opinion, it's just like saying (random example) you're prowar but you're a pacifist...
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