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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 12:25:00 GMT -6
Well, I managed to come across a Sun-Times article this morning about Ed McCants....here's the link... www.suntimes.com/output/campus/cst-spt-cle19.htmlThere was one portion of this article that particularly stuck out in my mind.... "Then, in October of his sophomore year, McCants was involved in an alcohol-related altercation at an Evanston home, pleaded guilty to a battery charge and was dismissed from the team. He finished out the semester, then transferred to Paris Junior College in Texas." Now, how many times have we heard from our friends from the north about Jimmy being a slimeball for giving McGee a second chance? Ironic, because it turns out that Ed "The Criminal" McCants was given a second chance from Pearl after being kicked off of a previous team. I'm assuming UWM fans are just ignorant and did not know about this....but if they did, they are clearly hypocrites.....so I'd like to know what everyone thinks about this. UIC fans know Bruce Pearl is scum of the earth, but do UWM fans now agree? I mean, you can't say Jimmy is immoral and not say Bruce is immoral.... meh, you have to love off-season message board talk...
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Post by HackPanther on Mar 19, 2005 12:32:38 GMT -6
Most UWM fans know about it.
Getting into a fight isn't quite as severe as raping a girl, would you agree?
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 12:44:04 GMT -6
I agree that rape is a worse....but do you know what type of fight it was?
Either way, regardless of severity, the point still remains....McCants did something severe enough to get dismissed from Northwestern and be charged with a crime. He was then taken in by a new coach.....how does this make Bruce much different than Jimmy?
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Post by spike1057 on Mar 19, 2005 12:48:07 GMT -6
Glad i read your post cause i was just about to post the same thing. That really pisses me off, that I have sat here and listend to UWM fans bash jimmy for bringing in a problem when they have done the same. Only difference I see here is McCants has a something on his record when Mcgee somewhat got away clean on his. I wish I would have done my work on McCants cause then we could have taunted him all game long about his rage problems.
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 12:59:58 GMT -6
I agree Spike.....see the problem with UWM fans is they're the first to jump on another team for doing something questionable, but if their team does something like that, they're "blinded by their own success". UWM fans: UIC and Jimmy Collins are immoral for bringing in McGee, however, Ed McCants is player of the year and has brought us so much success. So we can forgive Pearl for bringing in McCants after one little fight? UWM fans: Jimmy was wrong for illegally recruiting Deon Thomas. However, even though Jimmy was cleared, and Bruce Pearl illegally taped a phone converstation, Pearl was in the right because he is coach of the year and he has won in the tourney. But I don't want this thread to be about this....I want to get back to original topic. As far as I'm concerned, regardless of the crime, both coaches gave players a second chance, yet Jimmy is wrong.....funny how UWM fans never mentioned this when bashing McGee/Collins... The taunts "boozer" and "battery" sound about right to me....granted we have no fans to do it, and if we did, the refs would yell at us, but they still sound right
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Post by spike1057 on Mar 19, 2005 13:03:35 GMT -6
I like those chants Im so pissed we missed out on it. Oh well, but your right they are hypocrites about this I dont care what the crime was both coaches gave someone a second chance. However we are always the bad team because of it.
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 13:12:29 GMT -6
Well we can just take it out on his little brother for the next 4 years...I thought I heard that he might be signing with UWM....
how bout "ex-con's brother...ex-con's brother...ex-con's brother...go Flames!"
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Post by UWMKrazie on Mar 19, 2005 14:34:30 GMT -6
Just note that I appreciate the attitudes of most of you toward UWM's progress in the tourney...this is just for the sake of a good old fashioned UWM vs UIC argument to continue...
Wisconsin Circuit Court Access (CCAP) Previous Return to List Next Printable Version
State vs Marcetteaus A McGee
Dane County Case Number 2002CF001733
Filing Date Case Type Case Status Ascending Date Order Descending Date Order 07-29-2002 Criminal Closed Defendant Date of Birth Address 03-22-1984 2101 S Springfield St #1, % McGee, Chicago, IL 60623 Branch Id DA Case Number 17 02da011249
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Charge(s) Count No. Statute Description Severity Disposition 1 940.225(3) 3rd Degree Sexual Assault Felony D Dismissed /Pr Motion 2 940.44(1) Intimidate Victim/Dissuade Reporting Misd. A Dismissed /De Motion View history and details of Charge(s)/Sentence(s) Defendant Owes the Court: $ 0.00 Responsible Official Prosecuting Agency Prosecuting Attorney Defense Attorney Martin, James L District Attorney Hayward, Gretchen L Eisenberg, Stephen J
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Defendant Defendant Name Date of Birth Sex Race 1 McGee, Marcetteaus A 03-22-1984 Male African American Address Address Updated On 2101 S Springfield St #1, % McGee, Chicago, IL 60623 07-29-2002 JUSTIS ID Finger Print ID Defendant Attorney(s) Attorney Name GAL Entered Eisenberg, Stephen J No 07-29-2002
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Charge(s)/Sentence(s) The Defendant was charged with the following offense: Count No. Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea 1 940.225(2)(a) 2nd Degree Sexual Assault/Use of Force Felony BC 07-25-2002 Amended on 05-21-2003 to: Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea 940.225(3) 3rd Degree Sexual Assault Felony D 07-25-2002 Guilty on 05-07-2003 On 05-07-2003 there was a finding of: Action Court Official Deferred pros/sent Higginbotham, Paul B Agreement fulfilled on 05-21-2004 On 05-21-2004 there was a finding of: Action Court Official Dismissed /Pr Motion Martin, James L The Defendant was charged with the following offense: Count No. Statute Cite Description Severity Offense Date Plea 2 940.44(1) Intimidate Victim/Dissuade Reporting Misd. A 07-25-2002 On 05-07-2003 there was a finding of: Action Court Official Dismissed /De Motion Higginbotham, Paul B
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Total Receivables Court Assessments Adjustments 3 Paid to the Court Probation/Other Agency Amount 4 Balance Due to Court Due Date 5 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $ 0.00
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Post by UICJohn on Mar 19, 2005 14:43:49 GMT -6
Looking at the background that some of these guys have grown up in, you sometimes have to give them a second chance. If you don't give them a second chance, nobody will. I'd rather give a guy a second chance and help him out then let him just be another statistic. And while one crime might be worse than another, they're still crimes.
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Post by Big D on Mar 19, 2005 14:59:27 GMT -6
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Post by Unbiased Opinion on Mar 20, 2005 14:13:43 GMT -6
Guys, are you seriously trying to draw a comparrison between a rape conviction over a battery/ underage drinking conviction?
I understand where you are comming from with the argument, but the Rape is a horrible offense, much worse than drinking while underage, and getting into a fight.
Neither is good, but the battery is much easier to forgive than Rape.
There is no excuse for Rape, and there are many circumstances where battery could be justified, in my opinion.. although I have no clue what the circumstances were in this case..
You stirred up the pot, if that was what you were trying to do.. but I seriously hope, that in that mischevious head of yours.. that you understand that Rape is a much more serious offense!
I do agree that UWM fans are obnoxious,and idiots though.. so for the fun of it, I enjoy the argument.
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Post by Big D on Mar 20, 2005 14:36:54 GMT -6
As I said in the third post of this thread... I agree that rape is a worse.... However, I think a lot of people are missing the point of this discussion. It's not about which crime is worse...it's about giving second chances... UWM fans rip on Jimmy Collins all the time for giving McGee a second chance. But who's to say he doesn't deserve a second chance? Is there some rule that states, "you're not allowed a second chance if you commit a crime worse than battery?" Why is it OK to give somebody who was charged with battery a second chance but not somebody who has committed the lowest degree of rape (yes, it's still rape, but it's not like he beat this woman, etc....but I'm not saying it's good, it just could've been worse).
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Post by FlameFan on Mar 20, 2005 15:14:26 GMT -6
Let's set the record straight here. The SEXUAL ASSAULT charge was light. Look at the punishment. Not more than a slap on the wrist. In fact, the charges were to be expunged if he stayed out of trouble, which he did. I find it difficult to believe that this went as fars as a violent and maliscious offense.
Concerning McCants, he was at a party at NU and an elderly couple complained because of the noise and rowdy behavior. McCants and a buddy broke into the couple's house and physically assulted the elderly couple.
This is like comparing apples and oranges, which one is worse. However, based on the punishments, they were both about equal in the eyes of the law.
I see it that McGee, while sexual in nature, was probably a lot of misunderstanding (although I am not in any way condoning the behavior). McCants' actions were not a mistake by any means and highly violent.
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Post by NewFoundGlory on Mar 20, 2005 16:17:13 GMT -6
Mccants is a pu$$y.
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Post by Jason T on Mar 20, 2005 16:27:50 GMT -6
"McCants is a pu$$y."
Me-OW!
That's exactly what McCants is gonna say when he bangs into Augustine on a block and his head bangs hard on the court. I wish that was McCants Augstine made fall hard on the court last night. McCants would've been crying like a baby!
"WAAAAH! I broke a nail!" What's the matter McCants? Did Augustine make you see bloody stars when his body blocked you off? I got news for you brotha! You're playing a strong college basketball team with big centers! hahahahaha
McCants better keep it closed up in bed on the night before the biggest game of his life if he's the kind of pu$$y I'm actually thinking of.
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