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Post by WarriorFlame on Jan 7, 2005 12:03:44 GMT -6
I also can see the effect Martell had on Cedrick Banks' game. There was one play last night where Collum didn't zing the ball into Ced in the right place and the ball was stolen. This has also exposed a weakness in Ced's game. Good point, I remember that play. Collum swung the ball into the left corner but it was late and off-target. The offense seems a few ticks slow and often out of synch. I was watching Ced run his motion without the ball last night and realized that when he comes through the screens on the weak side and sprints the baseline, he is often open and a quick pass into the middle could lead to an easy lay-up. I think part of our problems on offense are attributed to sticking to plays which we can run with questionable efficiency. It's so predictable that all of the picks and motion are only to set-up one thing: Ced shooting a three from the corner. As a result, guys are afraid to make their own adjustments. I'm also shocked that more teams don't throw a Box-and-1 on us. I can't remember facing any sort of scheme zone to stop Ced. On the other hand, Ced hasn't been the same kind of threat this year. One more thing. Does anyone else think that Karl White could have scored 30 points last night if he drove to the basket more? The lane was really open for the entire second half and White was very effective at driving and scoring. He's going to be a special player at UIC. He really makes things happen on offense.
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Post by Chuck A on Jan 7, 2005 12:13:06 GMT -6
I agree with the Karl White statement. The guy is going to be awesome, along with Othyus Jeffers next season.
I know this might sound crazy, but I'd like to see Jimmy Collins take Justin Bowen out of the game and have a lineup that features Collum at the point, Karl White at the two and Cedrick at Bowen's spot, the three. You can still have Stefanov and Poole at the four and five.
In my opinion it gives the Flames their four best shooters (don't really know about Collum yet) on the court. I know Armond is our energy but he can't hit the broad side of a barn. He was horrible from the 12-15 foot range against Loyola, which is where he was supposed to have worked on this off season. With White and Banks out there and White not having to worry about point guard duties, the opposition would have a doozie of a time trying to key on one of the two.
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Post by Big D on Jan 7, 2005 12:26:59 GMT -6
4. I have no idea why UIC is so bad this year, but if a bunch of lowly-regarded freshmen and sophomores could take you guys to the final minute (not to mention having a 9 point lead with 7:36 left in the game), you guys have problems. I feel that next year, when you guys don't have Banks and Williams and Loyola has more experience, you will lose the Away game against Loyola. Oh, so we'll finally lose an away game to Loyola for the first time in 4 years? With the whole concept of home-court advantage, what exactly are you trying to get at here? You should've been taking care of home court for the past half-decade.....believe me, you implying that UIC losing 1 of 5 away games to Loyola does nothing to make Loyola look like they own UIC Again, what is the point here? Yes, we lost to UWP and yes it was embarrassing....but now look at it this way....you lost to a team that lost to UWP at Loyola, so that's even worse....please don't come here bragging about beating up on UWP during exhibition season. You need to worry about beating a "crappy" UIC team in the regular season. Well, as a humorless individual, I certainly find quite a bit of humor in the amount of jealousy Loyola and its fans have towards UIC and its fans. I mean, just think if you guys could get some state money....maybe you could afford a nice new state-of-the art high-school gym to play in.....and who cares about what UIC was when you were born.....UIC has advanced at an extraordinary pace....and you cannot argue that Loyola is an overall better university than UIC.....
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Post by WarriorFlame on Jan 7, 2005 12:42:35 GMT -6
maybe you could afford a nice new state-of-the art high-school gym to play in. I think they did afford such an arena without state funds. In fact, I believe you just described the Gentile Center perfectly.
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Post by Big D on Jan 7, 2005 12:51:33 GMT -6
I think they did afford such an arena without state funds. In fact, I believe you just described the Gentile Center perfectly. No, I said state-of-the-art ;D To respond to the other posts though.....I think White will definitely be a SG for us.....probably starting next year. Collum will have a full year to get things rolling before Mayo takes over....and hopefully, he's more of a true PG like Collum is said to be. White will be impressive but right now, I can't tell if he's trying to do to much (try to be too fancy), or if that is just his game....I like it, but if he'd just penetrate and try and draw some contact it would help us so much more.....
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Post by Rambler63 on Jan 7, 2005 13:28:57 GMT -6
Who's jealous? You guys went to the mall, walked into "Tradition and Things," picked a box off a shelf, and trotted out the contents at your games. I am not jealous of "The Flame Burns Bright" song, your 36% graduation rate, the busloads of elementary school kids to try to fill the stands, the Cold War Eastern Europe architecture on your campus, the tremendous view of the Eisenhower Expressway on one side and the Dan Ryan on another, etc. Just the thought of it is soul-numbing.
I do, however, like the seasoned french fries at the Pavilion. I also am a little jealous of the Eminent Domain power that UIC has-- you know, being able to make entire neighborhoods move, bulldoze anything you want to expand the university whenever you feel like it at bargain basement prices. That's pretty cool. If Loyola wants to expand, it has to purchase land at market rates at the discretion of each and every property owner over a period of several years or decades.
Is that an opinion, or an edict? As a graduate of both schools, I think I can. My first class in graduate school at UIC had more students than the largest class I had in four years at Loyola. The computers were inferior, there was gang graffiti on the lecturns and in the building, there were incomplete construction projects that were left for months/years at a time, there was a road that was closed to traffic (Morgan?) but not adapted to pedestrian use, the red tape was relentless (I missed an entire semester because I didn't have my immunization records from California in time for selecting classes), a lot of the hiring of administrative personnel is more due to political connections than competency, some of the instructors had serious problems being understood while attempting to speak the English language, I was really put off by the classless way Bob Hallberg was fired and replaced by Jimmy Collins, there were two rapes and a few more attempted on campus in my 2 1/2 years there, and if I were allergic to concrete and rust I would have gone into toxic shock syndrome.
Loyola has some problems, too, don't get me wrong. Their career center sucks, both for empoyers and job seekers. When I was hiring some people at a former job, UIC's career center was excellent in referring qualified applicants, and Loyola was horrible. Loyola's athletic department has been a malignancy at times over the past 20 years-- sometime we'll sit down and I'll tell the interesting story of how their incompetency helped create The Great Midwest conference which later became Conference USA. And the school has not always managed its business affairs very well.
I don't mean to pick on UIC, but there was a reference to Loyola fans as asses, and I was a bit offended. Why don't you guys do a poll on which team's fans are the biggest jerks? I'll bet even most UIC fans would put Loyola in the bottom half. Or maybe you guys are just upset because YOU'RE the ones who are jealous....
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Post by WarriorFlame on Jan 7, 2005 13:45:32 GMT -6
Loyola fans and alumns do not bother me.
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Post by UICJason on Jan 7, 2005 14:34:42 GMT -6
Rambler63, you are honestly a moron.
There were 2 sexual assaults on a college campus in 2.5 years? You find that to be an issue? Do you want me to look up the sexual assault statistics for other neighborhoods in the city? Lincoln Park? HIGH Wrigleyville? HIGH.
That's just one of so many mysteriously stupid points you make. You note that UIC was a JC on a pier back in the 40's, which is true, but the fact that its a better school than Loyola now makes your point even more hilarious on Loyola's account. You have over 100 years of tradition and money that should have gone into creating a good school, one that won't go bankrupt in the next 10 years...but you haven't. UIC has been UIC for just over 20 years, and in that time has become a top 40 research institution, and has top programs in certain engineering, philosophy, social work, and so many others. Am I saying that Loyola is a terrible school? No, but I am saying that your point is ludicrous.
Expansion at the Lake Shore Campus? With what money? You do have to have at least a FEW Dollars to build new buildings.
Then you spoke about architechture....maybe you have never noticed what I believe to be the ugliest building in America on the Lake Shore Campus. It's across the "track & field" from the Alumni Gym and stands like 30-40 stories high. It is truly the ugliest building I have ever seen. Again, did I say that UIC has beautiful buildings? Nope, just noting that pots shouldn't call kettles black. You're not Northwestern in terms of beautiful...you're Loyola....in a crappy neighborhood with some butt ugly buildings on campus.
I could go on, but what's the point...goodbye.
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Post by UICJohn on Jan 7, 2005 15:10:02 GMT -6
Rambler63, I apologize. I am sorry. I guess I just didn't get it. I should just sit back and listen to more Loyola excuses about how they're really a better team and UIC got lucky. I mean, hey, it's only 7 in a row, right?
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Post by UICJohn on Jan 7, 2005 15:18:04 GMT -6
Well, I don't know many Loyola fans, but at least from the ones that I have run into, I have not seen good things. So let me just say that from the ones I have witnessed, I do not take my statement back. I remember two years ago when Carr hit the game winning three pointer, the camera was on the UIC sideline and a Loyola fan grabbed me by the neck and pulled me back. Okay, thanks? And then yesterday I am leaving, saying absolutely nothing, and I get a Loyola fan in my face telling me go leave all the while tossing in a few profanities? And you can believe me or not, and you can think I'm lying when I say I didn't provoke either of these, but that's your decision. These are my incidents with Loyola fans and if I will apologize for anything, I will apologize by stereotyping. I will say that Loyola fans are not asses but the ones I have witnessed certainly are. And in that case, I will also say that every school, even UIC, probably has the same.
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Post by Lee on Jan 7, 2005 15:22:26 GMT -6
Rambler63, I apologize. I am sorry. I guess I just didn't get it. I should just sit back and listen to more Loyola excuses about how they're really a better team and UIC got lucky. I mean, hey, it's only 7 in a row, right? and 10 out of 11, thats about a 9% winning clip.
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Post by bigm on Jan 7, 2005 16:03:51 GMT -6
I thought White played great. He didn't make a lot of mistakes like he did in previous games. (by the way, does anyone know why he played only 1 min a couple of games ago?) But I do think that he needs to learn to play team ball more. He is flashy and quick. But somewhere down the line, if he can learn to apply that and improve the team, he would be great. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of White. Being this young and playing this well is great for him and for the team. I also believe that he shouldn't play PG. I think it would benefit the team more if he plays SG. Maybe he'll take that over once Banks leaves, unless we have players coming in who are capable of filling the SG position. Does anyone know?
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Post by Free Radical on Jan 8, 2005 10:32:06 GMT -6
"Is that an opinion, or an edict? As a graduate of both schools, I think I can. My first class in graduate school at UIC had more students than the largest class I had in four years at Loyola. The computers were inferior, there was gang graffiti on the lecturns and in the building, there were incomplete construction projects that were left for months/years at a time, there was a road that was closed to traffic (Morgan?)....[remainder of diatribe snipped]"
You claim to be a graduate of both schools. I find the fact that you chose to go to graduate school at UIC revealing.
But even more revealing is the fact that you choose to bad mouth it publicly.
There are many forms of stupidity in this world, but BAD MOUTHING YOUR OWN GRADUATE SCHOOL, which you were neither forced to attend nor required to finish (and is presumably tied in some manner to your career choices) trully falls into a unique category.
It indicates poor judgment, faulty decision making. and an unwillingness to accept the consequences of your decisions.
You really need to work on that, because NO EMPLOYER OR CLIENT IN THE WORLD is going to want to hear how crappy your graduate school was.
If I were you, I'd get in the habit of telling the world what a GREAT institution the University of Illinois is and how you just LOVED your years at UIC. Most people prefer the company of those who are happy with the choices they have made in their lives.
A diatribe such as yours against UIC contrasting favorably with Loyola will (conservatively) offend 10 people for every one that it pleases. With those odds, I would choose my words about UIC, U of I, and public universities in general VERY CAREFULLY.
Have you visited "uicsucks.org"? Its the only place I know where the majority will probably agree with every negative thing you have to say about UIC, and will no doubt be impressed with your "Loyola" credentials.
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Post by Rambler63 on Jan 8, 2005 12:46:18 GMT -6
UIC had a program that I was interested in (Urban Planning), I applied, and was accepted. But the problems began when they incorrectly entered my address in their files and after not hearing anything from them for weeks after my application check had been cashed, I had to call them to find out I'd been accepted.
Some of the classes and parts of the program were suberb. There were two instructors that I absolutely loved, and I enjoyed the subject matter enough to ignore some of the problems with red tape, etc.
Again, there are some great things about UIC, and I completely understand why everyone here is so proud of the things that have been accomplished there. There are some impressive graduates-- Carol Mosely Braun, Bernard Shaw, etc. the business school is beginning to take off, athletics has upgraded from mid-Mid Con to the top half of the Horizon since I arrived at UIC (1995), there are opportunities at UIC because of its size and funding to do amazing things. If you can get by the ginormous lecture classes and red tape in your first couple of years, you can get a great education. Yet for me, I found that the Loyola experience was much more rewarding, and so that's where my allegiance is placed. If it hadn't been for the small class sizes and peaceful, laid back atmosphere at Loyola, I don't know that I would have made it to graduate school at all.
I've seen quite a bit of knocking the educational quality of Loyola and DePaul here-- why are you all so offended that someone who's gone to UIC and one of the schools you're knocking speaks up about the differences?
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Post by Big D on Jan 8, 2005 12:57:10 GMT -6
I for one had no problems with the class sizes....the professors were always accessible if I had a problem, and I only had these huge classes my first year and a half or so....after that, all of my classes were about 40 people or less (some as small as about 18-20).....which is pretty small considering UIC has some 25000 students to educate.
I completely understand why one would want smaller class sizes but I just don't get how you can make a "Loyola-good, UIC-bad" judgement based on that.
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