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Post by GoRamblers on Jan 11, 2005 22:55:55 GMT -6
Well, I don't know many Loyola fans, but at least from the ones that I have run into, I have not seen good things. So let me just say that from the ones I have witnessed, I do not take my statement back....These are my incidents with Loyola fans and if I will apologize for anything, I will apologize by stereotyping. I will say that Loyola fans are not asses but the ones I have witnessed certainly are. And in that case, I will also say that every school, even UIC, probably has the same. After I saw this, I had to reply. Yes, there are some Loyola fans that are ridiculous. Heck, I have found myself this season saying how some of the people in front of me in the students section were total jerks. That being said, I have not had any good confrontations with UIC fans. The instances that come to mind are the Carr game, the game at Loyola last year and at UIC. With the Carr game, there were several UIC fans that came up after the shot to the Loyola section and began to taunt the Loyola fans. At that point, I was simply sitting down in shock because of what I saw. No words were uttered to draw the UIC fans over....they came over because they felt the need. Last year after the game at Loyola....I was leaving the Gentile center, walking home and minding my own business, when a car full of UIC fans rolls up to me, stops the car, rolls down the windows and begins to yell obscenities and taunts in my direct. Something surely could have escalated, but I ignored them and kept moving on. Finally, last year at UIC, as I was leaving the Pavillon after the game, numerous obscene things were yelled at myself and my other friends by some of the local kids that you bus in. In those words, many pro-UIC things were said as well. So, what we have here is a look at the negative fans that each school brings to the table. These are stereotypes that have built up in our heads and cause us to treat/think of all UIC or Loyola fans in a negative manner. All that being said, I don't think that Horizon fans would rank Loyola at the top of obnoxious fan list, nor would they necessarily rank UIC up there. The one thing I ask is for all UIC fans to not act in such a cocky manner. In every sport, rival teams go through cycles. The Loyola/UIC rivalry is relatively new. There are many years ahead of both schools and a lot can happen. I'm not asking for UIC fans to no be proud of the accomplishments that the UIC basketball team has had over Loyola in the past years....that is something to be very proud of. Instead, I just ask that you all be a little humble. Believe me when I say that, should Loyola beat UIC this year or in the near future, I will not be here to gloat, nor will I carry that air of cockiness that comes with winning. Anyways, I wish you all luck with the rest of the season (with the exception of the other Loyola game).
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Post by huskyboy on Jan 12, 2005 15:28:46 GMT -6
why r u UIC fans so proud of UIC? UIC ain't s@#!. ive been to your campus there are marks on the CTA bus stops that says "UIC Sucks!" and the lecture centers are run down like pieces of crap. how can u say that UIC has good academics when you are forced into a lecture center thats as big as a movie theater with the professor having to yell to be able be heard by everyone?
i'm a NIU fan and student, and I know NIU has its drawbacks, but we are just as good as UIC (minus the deadly concrete buildings all over UIC. I would say jails are even more comfortable then those ugly buildings).
since this is a basketball board, i'll end with: the Huskies will continue to embarrass the UIC basketball program and its pathetic existence everytime you guys play us. last year we beat you, and we will beat you again and again.
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Post by UICJohn on Jan 12, 2005 16:26:14 GMT -6
Oh man, I do not know where to begin.
Large classes are found in all public universities. That is just how it is. When you have 20,000+ students on one campus, you're going to have with many students.
NIU is not near UIC. I really wish that this argument didn't have to come up again! Honestly, I know I spoke my mind about the whole DePaul/UIC debate, but I was really hoping that this was over. But I can give a few NIU thoughts. I remember researching schools last year and found an interesting note. They showed the average ACT scores for every school (also SAT for non-midwestern). UIC had an average of 23 while NIU was right there with a 19 (by right there, I am being sarcastic huskyman). The Princeton Review gives previews of schools and under their UIC preview they talk about the GPPA program and strong sciences. For NIU, they talk about clubs on campus, like the recycling boat club (not sure what that is, but when you put clubs in a school preview, shows you don't have too much else).
But that's just what I brought up on the board about a year ago. When a school has certain success in a sport, they are then perceived to be a good school all around (including academically). Florida State isn't a good school, but if a random person heard something such as Florida State or Loyola (and Loyola fans, don't get mad please, I'm not saying it's a bad school!) I think that most people would say FSU is a better school just because they're a bigger name. That's how it is, and now that NIU is having some success in football, you students there get an inflated ego.
NIU has embaressed UIC. You guys are so bad that losing to you last year was incredibly embaressing. It's funny though, because you're probably some Frosh who has nothing to do but sit around and look for trouble. You have nothing to say about the 40+ point loss NIU had in DeKalb two years ago? Probably not.
Either way, I cannot say anymore about the academic stuff for a while. I think that we're all done with that?
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Post by huskyboy on Jan 12, 2005 17:20:52 GMT -6
uic is pathetic. i dont care how bad of a basketball team NIU is, but we here dont lose to division II teams. why do u people waste your time and money after a ridiculous team like the flamers. heck, niu isn't the greatest bball team either, but we have have a #29 ranked football team. also, niu's average act score isnt 19. goto princeton review's website www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/generalinfo.asp?listing=1023623<ID=1 and you will see that the average is a 22. not too different from uic.
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Post by UICJohn on Jan 12, 2005 17:34:29 GMT -6
I can admit when I was wrong so perhaps instead of pathetic, they're respectable?
U.S. News ranked UIC higher than NIU. Does that matter to you? Honestly, not much to me. We have discussed rankings and they are biased towards certain schools. That's obvious. But like I said, I'm not getting into any arguments here that do not concern the UIC basketball team or any other UIC athletic team
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Post by Big D on Jan 12, 2005 22:53:32 GMT -6
how can u say that UIC has good academics when you are forced into a lecture center thats as big as a movie theater with the professor having to yell to be able be heard by everyone? That's funny, you seem to think you know about classes at UIC....have you ever taken one? I have taken 4.5 years worth and I never once had professors yelling so I could hear....I heard just fine.....most talked in their normal voice but for the quiet ones, they used these things invented years ago....they're called microphones....maybe one day, you people up there in the sticks will learn all about them.... You lost to Loyola...that's close enough....don't worry, one step at a time....first you beat Loyola, then you make it to the postseason just like UIC has the past few years.... And, don't worry, while you're eating squirrel for dinner, us UIC fans will be greatly anticipating your next post...
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Post by huskyboy on Jan 12, 2005 23:35:51 GMT -6
ive never enrolled at uic but i've been to a real class at uic when i shadowed my friend to his anthropology class. theres a massive lecture center near that ugly library of yours that has more seats than our convocation center!
maybe uic will also learn of these "microphones" because the professor didn't have one for that class. he was literally yelling.
i have at least 15,000 uic students who are actually on my side in saying that uic sucks. people write it all over campus all the time. at the bus stops, on windows that havent been cleaned since you were called the Circle Campus, and on study carrells in the library. believe me, i've been to uic many times for parties and visiting friends so i know it pretty well.
this group of 10 people on this board who actually LIKE uic...the rest of the student population cant wait to graduate and get the hell outta there.
NIU may not be an ivy league school, but we don't act like it. you people think uic is some academic superpower and say uic is better than depaul and loyola?! yeah right. if you want a serious education and no social life, goto uic. if you want a real "college experience" with a balance of education and social life, go to niu, depaul, or loyola.
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Post by UICJohn on Jan 13, 2005 0:00:49 GMT -6
Okay, well, I have my opinion and others have theirs. I'm done arguing, so think what you want. Doesn't really bother me.
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Post by UICJason on Jan 13, 2005 9:00:48 GMT -6
I think people who are stupid should be banned, which includes anyone who thinks that NIU is a better school than UIC. You want to argue Loyola or DePaul, go ahead...I'm okay with it...but NIU, oh ha ha ha.
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Post by GoRamblers on Jan 13, 2005 15:00:58 GMT -6
You lost to Loyola...that's close enough.... Ouch Big D. Ouch
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Post by UICJason on Jan 13, 2005 16:09:50 GMT -6
All in good fun. You should register for the board GoRamblers...you seem like a good fan.
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Post by huskyboy on Jan 14, 2005 21:07:57 GMT -6
NIU has a better business program than uic, at least. we have a top 25 accounting ranking by us news (yes, top 25 in the nation).
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Post by Joe Taxpayer on Jan 16, 2005 2:05:30 GMT -6
I am so tired of these Loyola (and other private school people) carping about how they have to pay for everything because they get no tax dollars. What they fail to mention is that they are actually a drain on the system. Ask the taxpayers in Evanston about Northwestern.
The land Loyola sits on is very valuable, yet Loyola pays no property taxes, its hospital gets free water from the City. That burden is then spread among the other taxpayers. So don't preach how you have to pay for everything.
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Post by Lee on Jan 16, 2005 6:25:33 GMT -6
I am so tired of these Loyola (and other private school people) carping about how they have to pay for everything because they get no tax dollars. What they fail to mention is that they are actually a drain on the system. Ask the taxpayers in Evanston about Northwestern. The land Loyola sits on is very valuable, yet Loyola pays no property taxes, its hospital gets free water from the City. That burden is then spread among the other taxpayers. So don't preach how you have to pay for everything. ZING
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Post by FreeRadical on Jan 16, 2005 11:16:31 GMT -6
Husky Boy: the fact that you are in here trashing UIC tells ME that you are not at ease with your decision to attend NIU. We sympathize, and urge you to apply to UIC for next year. I believe there is still time, and you will certainly be welcome. As for your unkind assessment of UIC's academics, I think you could use some numbers to back it up. So let me be of assistance. Here's a good starting point: www.niu.edu/pubaffairs/NT/2000/aug28/carnegie.htmlFrom which I quote: "Only three other public institutions in Illinois—Southern Illinois University at Carbondale and the University of Illinois campuses in both Chicago and Urbana-Champaign—fall into the category of doctoral/research university-extensive." FWIW, Circle Campus made Division 1 research in 1982 when it merged with the U of I medical center and became UIC. That was a full 18 years before the article was written. Here's another: thecenter.ufl.edu/research2003.htmlAs you can see, unlike most of these surveys, this one actually backs up its claims with facts and numbers. And lo and behold, there's UIC at number 38(composite) nationally due (almost) exclusively to its impressive #42 ranking in FUNDED RESEARCH DOLLARS. To give you a little perspective on what a #42 research ranking means, UIC comps pretty well with Michigan State (#35), Northwestern (#36), University of Iowa (#37), and Purdue (#38). And who's the leading research institution in this state? UIUC, at #18, of course! Do you see <N,S,E,W>IU, DePaul, Loyola, ISU, UWM, or ANY of the other Horizon League schools on that list? Me neither. You say we sound sound arrogant and cocky, as if our school were some hot-shot institution. I say the numbers support our conceit. If you or anyone else really wants to claim your school's faculty is better or equal to UIC's, you can curtail the name-calling and nose-looking-down by simply filling in the form below, and providing a link: UIC_______$250 million plus anually in funded research. NIU_______$ Loyola____$ DePaul____$ Whoever___$ Numbers speak for themselves. Or, in the words of Lenny Bruce: "What is, is. What should be is a dirty lie."
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