2012 USNews Rankings

[Big D]

The new rankings are out...I've compared UIC to Depaul, Loyola, and UWM. I'd do it with others, but this takes way too long.

U.S. News Ranking #150 (down from #143 in 2011) - (Depaul: #132, Loyola: #119, UWM: unranked)

National Universities

Rankings, Scores & Key Indicators

Score: 38
High school counselor score (out of 5): 3.4
Average freshman retention rate: 80% - Medium
6-year graduation rate: 53% - Medium
Classes with under 20 students: 29.8% - Low
Classes with 50 or more students: 19% - High
Student-faculty ratio: 17:1
Fall 2010 acceptance rate: 63%
Peer assessment score (out of 5): 3.1
Undergraduate academic reputation index: 64
Graduation and retention rank: 181
Predicted graduation rate: 57% - Medium
Overperformance(+)/Underperformance(–): -4 - Medium
Faculty resources rank: 240
Percent of faculty who are full-time: 89.5% - High
Student selectivity rank: 130
SAT/ACT 25th-75th percentile: 21-26
Freshmen in top 10 percent of high school class: 26% - Medium
Freshmen in top 25 percent of high school class: 59% - Medium
Financial resources rank: 36
Alumni giving rank: 204
Average alumni giving rate: 6% - Low

* U.S. News Rankings details based on 2010 data

#81 Best Undergraduate Business Programs (Depaul: #97, Loyola: #81, UWM: #97)
#76 Best Undergraduate Engineering Programs (at schools whose highest degree is a doctorate) (UWM: #105)
#79 Top Public Schools
#147 High School Counselor Rankings (Depaul: #124, Loyola: #80, UWM: #206)

-- #59 Part-time M.B.A. (Depaul: #36, Loyola: #45, UWM: #73)
#41 Best Education Schools (Depaul: #127, Loyola: #91, UWM: #86)
-- #17 Curriculum and instruction
#68 Best Engineering Schools (UWM: #129)
-- #47 Biomedical / Bioengineering
-- #68 Chemical
-- #81 Civil (UWM: #81)
-- #67 Computer Engineering
-- #75 Electrical / Electronic / Communications (UWM: #85)
-- #45 Industrial / Manufacturing (UWM: #59)
-- #61 Materials (UWM: #59)
-- #51 Mechanical (UWM: #51)
#92 Best Medical Schools: Primary Care
#56 Best Medical Schools: Research (Loyola: #71)
#71 Biological Sciences (Loyola: #130, UWM: #144)
#67 Chemistry (UWM: #107)
#50 Clinical Psychology (Depaul: #83, Loyola: #71, UWM: #62)
#58 Computer Science (UWM: #110)
#19 Criminology
#69 Earth Sciences
#65 Economics
#41 English (Loyola: #94, UWM: #52)
-- #16 Literary Criticism and Theory
#37 Fine Arts (UWM: #93)
-- #26 Painting / Drawing
#36 History (Loyola: #119)
#36 Math (UWM: #104)
#11 Nursing (Depaul: #127, Loyola: #50, UWM: #36)
-- #6 Clinical Nurse Specialist: Community / Public Health
-- #16 Nurse Practitioner: Family
-- #15 Nurse Practitioner: Pediatric
-- #7 Nursing Service Administration
#5 Nursing-Midwifery
#4 Occupational Therapy (UWM: #24)
#9 Pharmacy
#15 Physical Therapy
#70 Physics (UWM: #102)
#62 Political Science (UWM: #62)
#60 Psychology (Depaul: #146, Loyola: #117, UWM: #103)
#41 Public Affairs (Depaul: #100, UWM: #72)
-- #8 City Management & Urban Policy
-- #27 Public Finance & Budgeting
#16 Public Health
#22 Social Work (Loyola: #42, UWM: #42)
#41 Sociology (Loyola: #82)
-- #14 Sex and Gender
-- #22 Sociology of Population

If UIC could just figure out the non-academic portions of the rankings, we have the academics to climb the ladder...we should be well past Depaul and probably Loyola. Kind of curious why our counselor rating is so low compared to Depaul and Loyola when we beat them in almost every academic category....again, it's people not really in the know giving these ratings. Unfortunately, they're steering kids to schools other than UIC because they still think we're Circle Campus.

[uicval]

So none of the academic rankings changed (other than us being ranked in specific engineering programs), and yet the overall ranking dropped? What a freaking joke USNWR is. At least Loyola and Depaul dropped in overall ranking too (but doesn't seem like they dropped as much as we did - I think I remember us being 143 last year?)

[Big D]

Here's the difference between UIC and Depaul. While we annhilate them in academics and program rankings,...

Counselors still have a higher opinion of Depaul than UIC (3.5 vs 3.4). Probably because they see Depaul higher in the US News rankings every year. We are, however, rated higher by our peers (other universities - 3.1 vs 2.8).

UIC is 15% lower than Depaul in 6-yr graduation rate.

Depaul has 10% more of its classes with 20 or less students and about 20% less of its classes with 50 or more students. Probably an inherent advantage with smaller private universities.

Faculty resources ranking...we're about 80 spots behind Depaul. Doesn't surprise me with Chambana siphoning all of our money away.

These are pretty much the things that make Depaul a "better" school...haha.

The Chancellor should be focusing on improving in these areas.

Again I think these rankings suck, but they are important because these are THE rankings, and despite all the protest by presidents/chancellors all over the country, people look at these. So they do affect reputation among the public.

[sol15g]

I love UIC like the rest of you but we must be honest. UIC will NEVER get the respect of a DePaul or Loyola until we start producing the CEOs and other leaders like them. DePaul produces lets be honest. Their graduates run corporate America. The school has produced more Chicago area judges than Northwestern and the University of Chicago. No one cares if we are ranked higher than them in certain categories when their alumni members are running corporate America. I am just being honest. Heck three mayors of Chicago graduated from DePaul and many of the top politicians in Illinois. I saw on the news that one of their graduates will be the new CEO of ComEd replacing another CEO who graduated from DePaul. Just look at their alumni:

Business leadersRichard Driehaus, CEO, Driehaus Capital Management
Jack Greenberg, former CEO, McDonald's Corporation
James M. Jenness, CEO, Kellogg Company
Curtis J. Crawford, CEO, XCEO, Inc.
Edward J. Joyce, President and COO, Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE)
Greg Silich, Entrepreneur, former Leo Burnett CFO
Laura Thrall, President and Chief Executive Officer, United Way of Metropolitan Chicago, Inc
Bertram L. Scott, President, U.S. Commercial, CIGNA
Peggy Troy, President and CEO, Children’s Hospital and Health System
Frank M.Clark, Chairman and CEO, ComEd
Jeffrey S.Aronin, President and CEO, Ovation Pharmaceuticals
Brooks Boyer, Senior Vice President, Marketing, Chicago White Sox
Leticia Peralta Davis, CEO, Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority
Martin Jahn, General Director, Volkswagen Group RUS
Sister Catherine Ryan, CEO, Maryville Academy
Daniel Ustian, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, Navistar International Corp.
Thomas Briatico, President of Maytag Corporation
Robert E. Goldberg, Former Chairman, Chicago Board of Trade
Victor Faraci, Former Senior VP Marketing, Warner Bros.
Kerrie L. Holley, Chief Architect of IBM Global Services and IBM Distinguished Engineer; IBM Black Engineer of the Year Award Recipient 2003
John W. Martin, Jr., Former Vice President and General Counsel Ford Motor Co.
William W. Moreton, President and CFO, Potbelly Sandwich Works
Diane M. Pearse, CFO, Crate and Barrel
Peter Pesce, Executive Vice President, Fifth Third Bank
Richard Rosenfield, Co-Chairman, California Pizza Kitchen
William M. Rudolphsen, Senior Vice President and CFO, Walgreens Co.
Daniel Ustian, CEO and President, Navistar International Corp.
Ernest R. Wish, Chairman of Wish Enterprises; Former Managing Partner, Coopers & Lybrand
Kathleen M. Waltz, President and CEO, Orlando Sentinel Communications
Daniel Krajnovich, CEO, United Healthcare of Indiana
Margaret G. McDermott, Executive Vice president and CEO, Saints Mary and Elizabeth Medical Center, Chicago
Carol L. Schneider, President and CEO, Advocate Christ Medical Center, Advocate Hope Children's Hospital, Oak Lawn
Donna Thompson, CEO, Access Community Health Network
Dan Evans, Former Vice President and General Manager, Los Angeles Dodgers
George Vukotich, Dean, Concordia University College of Business
Anthony J. Andrukaitis, Director, Kelso Technologies Inc
Deborah A. Carder, President, DuPage Association of Women Lawyers
Patricia J. Parson Founder and former CEO, AmerInd, Inc
[edit] Politicians, government officials and civic leadersFrank Annunzio, U.S. Representative from Illinois (1965–1993)
Michael A. Bilandic, past Mayor of Chicago
Anne M. Burke, Illinois Supreme Court Justice, 1st District
Joseph Burke, judge of the Illinois Appellate Court (1939–76)
Richard M. Daley, former Mayor of Chicago
Richard J. Daley, former Mayor of Chicago
Terrance Gainer, Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate
Benjamin Hooks, former Executive Director of the NAACP
Laura Spurr, Chairwoman of the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi (2000–2001, 2003–2010)[1]
Samuel Skinner, former Chief Federal Prosecutor, U.S. Secretary of Transportation; Chief of Staff to President George H. W. Bush
Charles E. Tucker, Jr., U.S. Air National Guard Brigadier General
Dorothy Brown, Clerk, Cook County Circuit Court

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DePaul_University

We are closer to Loyola than DePaul. DePaul is known for business and law, which is the two categories that most people focus on.

[PantherU.com]

Maybe that's true, but Milwaukee has had graduates as CEO's of a surprising number of companies (I think 15 Fortune 500's in the past decade) and we're still seen as the red-headed stepchild of Madison.

You didn't put where our architecture program was ranked, I was interested in seeing that.

Our Public Health school just started, so I hope we break into there sometime soon (we really need it).

And we just started the School of Freshwater Sciences, which is #1 in the nation...as, um, it's the only one of its kind.

[Big D]

sol15g, welcome to the board.

A good start to get some respect would be to pass Depaul and Loyola in these rankings. And, it's very doable. But even then, I think you're somewhat correct...we're not going to be respected as much as Depaul or Loyola...but I don't really think it has anything to do with CEOs....it's more that we're public, they're private, we're cheap, they're expensive, we're relatively young, they're established, we're a secondary school in our own U of I system, they're their own entity. I just think that that plays a big part in it. People take all those factors and associate them with quality and prestige. But I think the US News rankings show that we're consistently higher ranked than both of those schools in individual academic programs. If you strip the names of the schools from the rankings and put UIC next to either Loyola or Depaul, I'd guess UIC was a better all-around academic school than either of them....by a big margin.....according to these rankings.

blackpantheruwm, looks like they didn't rank architecture...

[sol15g]

Big D,

Thanks for your reply. I agree with you on being associating with the U of I. I do not believe in rankings. I am a business major so I can tell you about the business rankings from last year. DePaul was ranked in the top 70 in business and we were a good distance behind them. For some reason they dropped about 30 spots. I know Loyola also dropped in the rankings in that category. We are ranked higher than them this year. Those schools might be higher in every category next year. It does not mean they are better. The USNEWS system is very flawed system. We are ranked higher because those schools dropped a lot this year. Next year they will likely be ranked higher than us. I believe in the end it is all about producing. Those two schools are producing. I love our business program, but I must be honest. DePaul program is the most respected of the three because of the CEOs. Their undergraduate and graduate entrepreneurship programs are ranked in the Top 10 in the nation by Entrepreneur Magazine every year. In addition, both schools business programs are ranked higher than us in Businessweek and other services. For example, Bloomberg Businessweek ranked DePaul undergraduate program #56 down from #40, Loyola #70 up from #103, and UIC #109 down from #105. These ranking does not mean anything. I know Howard University is ranked higher than us all in some rankings and I know that cannot be right. At the end it comes down to who produces. I must admit that DePaul business program is better than ours because of the CEO’s. A good program should produce top leaders in that field. I believe we are closer to Loyola than DePaul. We should not use rankings as a measurement. Our focus should be on producing leaders in every field. I am not saying DePaul is a better school. I am saying they are better in business and likely law (with all of the judges and top politicians) because they produce top leaders in those fields.