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Post by Lee on Feb 12, 2005 10:55:00 GMT -6
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Bruces Tape Recorder
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Post by Bruces Tape Recorder on Feb 12, 2005 10:55:03 GMT -6
The UWM people are delusional. No school will be desparate enough as UWM was when Pryor was their coach. They stuck their hand into the spittoon and pulled out Pearl who had been banished to the coaching Siberia of Southern Indiana.
Furthermore, Jimmy did not lose his job at UIUC. In fact, Coach Kruger made him an offer that would have made him the highest paid Assistant Coach in the nation. Jimmy turned it down and came to UIC to run his own program.
So far, nothing but words from the UWM people, no facts to back up anything (the flipping off, the illegal recruiting at Illinois, etc.).
Please stay on your own miserable little board in your miserable little town and go back to giving hand jobs to Pearl because he going to be your coach for life. Unlike Jimmy, who has gotten other feelers (Bradley to name one), Pearl is the equivalent of hazardous, toxic waste - no one will touch him.
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Post by UICJason on Feb 12, 2005 11:24:14 GMT -6
The UWM people are delusional. No school will be desparate enough as UWM was when Pryor was their coach. They stuck their hand into the spittoon and pulled out Pearl who had been banished to the coaching Siberia of Southern Indiana. Furthermore, Jimmy did not lose his job at UIUC. In fact, Coach Kruger made him an offer that would have made him the highest paid Assistant Coach in the nation. Jimmy turned it down and came to UIC to run his own program. So far, nothing but words from the UWM people, no facts to back up anything (the flipping off, the illegal recruiting at Illinois, etc.). Please stay on your own miserable little board in your miserable little town and go back to giving hand jobs to Pearl because he going to be your coach for life. Unlike Jimmy, who has gotten other feelers (Bradley to name one), Pearl is the equivalent of hazardous, toxic waste - no one will touch him. BTR, we have certainly disagreed elsewhere, but that was 100% right. UWM fans just talk talk talk. There's no substance. If they lose in the HL tourney this year, they'll be nothing again, just another UWM team with talent that does nothing.
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Post by Nohopspanther on Feb 12, 2005 15:20:38 GMT -6
Glad to see none of you morons knew that Bo Ryan was the head coach at UWM prior to Bruce Pearl. For more fun trivia, where did Bruce Weber go to school?
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Post by UICJohn on Feb 12, 2005 16:20:47 GMT -6
Who cares?
Let's Go Flames!
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Post by BTR on Feb 12, 2005 22:29:53 GMT -6
I'll do you one better Jason - UWM, who gives a s h i t ?
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Post by uicstomper on Feb 12, 2005 23:07:32 GMT -6
I personally could care less about the collins pearl feud. I do hope pearl leaves UWM, he is a good coach but I personally think he is a total stroke. As for Jimmy Hop on my bandwagon I want him gone
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Post by UICJason on Feb 12, 2005 23:11:53 GMT -6
That's a bandwagon I will NEVER hop on. Jimmy has done more for this program than any single other person. For that, I will always be grateful.
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Post by Big D on Feb 12, 2005 23:25:10 GMT -6
I can never decide on the whole Collins thing. I think overall, I'd like him to continue coaching UIC, because he's a good recruiter, he's taken this program to the next level, and in my opinion, he's a good representative of UIC, but I think he could do more.
For instance, I wish he were a better Xs and Os guy because at times, all of our talent looks pretty bad out there. His lack of coaching may prevent him from taking us to the next level, which would be consistently making the postseason and winning a game every once in a while.
Also, he should be more of a marketer. I watched the beginning of the Wake Forest/FSU game today and the announcers mentioned how WF's coach came to WF and built a new fanbase there. He meets with fans and he signed a contract with a group of like 2400 of them so that they show up to games and cheer on the team. Apparently, before he arrived, WF fans were very laid back....they just kind of showed up and were there. Now they're like the more traditional student crowd....jumping, screaming......Jimmy doesn't do anything like that. What about a "Meet Jimmy" day? UIC really could build a fanbase if they wanted to, but they're too lazy....they just want the fans to make it happen by themselves.
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Post by UICJohn on Feb 13, 2005 3:02:19 GMT -6
BigD, I know exactly what you mean. If we had more interaction between the players and coach with the students, I think that more would show up. Jimmy has to realize the things that we do: You're in the city, you have 3,000+ students living on campus, you have a school of 25,000 plus and basketball is an incredibly popular sport! At UIC, winning isn't all it is going to take to get fans. If you put forth even just a little effort, I think that there will be definite results!
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Post by Rambler63 on Feb 13, 2005 3:48:07 GMT -6
The previous coach at UWM was Bo Ryan. Before that it was the glorious Ric Cobb era. The school was once known as Milwaukee Teachers College.
When you guys talk about Jimmy Collins, don't you really mean Jimmy Collins Inc.?
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Post by Mr Blue on Feb 13, 2005 4:14:53 GMT -6
Bruce will not get a major job...unless its with some classless institution like Cincinatti. lol, post of the day! Don't know too much about Bruce Pearl, but your description of Cincinnati is extraordinarily accurate! ;D [glow=red,2,300]WeAreDePaul.com[/glow]
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Post by Mr Frontrow on Feb 13, 2005 7:58:10 GMT -6
How about bringing Gene Cross back from DePaul as head coach? Has any of the current players actually attended the summer camp Collins is soon to be paid 10K per year to run?
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Post by UICJason on Feb 13, 2005 10:27:22 GMT -6
I can never decide on the whole Collins thing. I think overall, I'd like him to continue coaching UIC, because he's a good recruiter, he's taken this program to the next level, and in my opinion, he's a good representative of UIC, but I think he could do more. For instance, I wish he were a better Xs and Os guy because at times, all of our talent looks pretty bad out there. His lack of coaching may prevent him from taking us to the next level, which would be consistently making the postseason and winning a game every once in a while. Also, he should be more of a marketer. I watched the beginning of the Wake Forest/FSU game today and the announcers mentioned how WF's coach came to WF and built a new fanbase there. He meets with fans and he signed a contract with a group of like 2400 of them so that they show up to games and cheer on the team. Apparently, before he arrived, WF fans were very laid back....they just kind of showed up and were there. Now they're like the more traditional student crowd....jumping, screaming......Jimmy doesn't do anything like that. What about a "Meet Jimmy" day? UIC really could build a fanbase if they wanted to, but they're too lazy....they just want the fans to make it happen by themselves. BigD, Well said. This is one of the only things I question with Jimmy. He seems a little too cool to interact with the students and really get something going. That's one of the things about Bruce Pearl I know he does that seems positive. Since he got there, he was all about building a fan base and being a part of the student groups who wanted to increase attendance. I think that could really do the trick at UIC, and could be the one thing that Jimmy is really missing.
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Post by FreeRadical on Feb 13, 2005 12:36:10 GMT -6
BigD:
I think you've made a very good point about Jimmy Collins. He has clearly opted to maintain a (relatively) low profile, and I agree that it does not always work to the program's advantage.
But what this program needs, even more than victories, is ticket sales.
NCAA sports is a business, and the only meaningful measure of success is revenue. The empty seats that you see game after game means the program is failing regardless of what the team does on the court.
Is it really the head coach's job to lead the marketing effort? He certainly has a role to play, but I'm not sure that "director" is it.
I believe that the Flames need a marketing director far more than they need a new head coach.
This is the city of winning-optional. But losing must be SOLD correctly. And our professional teams provide rich examples.
There's the "its a beautiful sunny day, check out that blonde, and pass me a beer", feel-good-and-don't-care-Prozac-type losing that works so well for the Cubs.
Or the we-actually-CARE-about-winning despite the fact that the historical record shows otherwise in-denial-angry-analytical-type losing that resonates with White Sox fans.
The Bulls have even managed to sell "we flat-out suck and although it matters, there is absolutely NOTHING we can do about it, so pray for a miracle."
So to all who would have Jimmy Collins' head, I ask:
Where should the Flames be positioned in the spectrum of Chicago sports?
How would YOU develop a brand loyalty that will bring people to the Pavilion in good years AND bad?
Why does Jimmy Collins NOT fit into that plan, and what role should Jimmy Collins' replacement have in developing the UIC "brand" that you envision?
Should the head coach position be tied to ticket sales? Should he be on commission?
If you have reasonable answers to these questions, then you CAN make the case that the coach needs to move on. But firing him for one mediocre season, without confronting the deeper issue of empty seats, will solve nothing.
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